tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9180199155294533801.comments2023-06-30T11:20:53.915+02:00Let's go exploreCarsten Feilberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18348610778313662800noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9180199155294533801.post-2715458859390823852021-02-27T10:29:38.623+01:002021-02-27T10:29:38.623+01:00Very useful post. This is my first time i visit he...Very useful post. This is my first time i visit here. I found so many interesting stuff in your blog especially its discussion. Really its great article. Keep it up. <a href="http://securitydoorswindowsmelbourne.com.au/" rel="nofollow">Security doors & Window</a>tiffany hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13018429737756005039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9180199155294533801.post-52664363312917618122015-02-05T15:27:32.835+01:002015-02-05T15:27:32.835+01:00Congratulations. I've had the privilege of bei...Congratulations. I've had the privilege of being mentored and coached by you. You ask thought provoking questions and give insightful feedback. Thanks and keep sharing your wisdom and talent. Cindy CarlessAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9180199155294533801.post-23786927765216560892013-11-18T18:29:29.201+01:002013-11-18T18:29:29.201+01:00Thank you :-)Thank you :-)Carsten Feilberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18348610778313662800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9180199155294533801.post-43631590658735542062013-11-12T12:30:28.049+01:002013-11-12T12:30:28.049+01:00Good to read your thoughts on EuroStar, Carsten. I...Good to read your thoughts on EuroStar, Carsten. I definitely was hooked onto all the blogs and tweets on all the conference days.<br /><br />Regards!Parimala Hariprasadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15304352526906191995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9180199155294533801.post-50474770580142422102013-05-28T15:49:47.668+02:002013-05-28T15:49:47.668+02:00As a bystander - I guess it was also very well com...As a bystander - I guess it was also very well communicated - it raised Tons of twitter discussions.<br />And hopefully will be followed by similar amount of Blog posts covering what each participant "took" from the conference.<br /><br />I wonder if having a forum for raising questions to the presenters and keeping the discussions going on-line after the presentations would have helped?halperinkohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02746116081985463537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9180199155294533801.post-18209944089282172202013-04-28T08:32:11.183+02:002013-04-28T08:32:11.183+02:00Thanks Michael, while I do agree that the activiti...Thanks Michael, while I do agree that the activities - ie. the actual work - is important, the reason I put the "a"'s in lower-case is that in a plan, I find that they do not in themselves explain to anyone what comes out of them. As you point out, in testing learning is a very very important activity, without which the value of the testing done may just evaporate. <br />Still, thatCarsten Feilberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18348610778313662800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9180199155294533801.post-87135164967363651992013-04-24T19:13:02.038+02:002013-04-24T19:13:02.038+02:00Nice stuff.
An over-riding objective of testing...Nice stuff. <br /><br />An over-riding objective of testing is learning about the product. I like that you begin with the D; the deliverables are crucial—if you learn things that might be important to the client and you don't deliver them, your client could reasonably be upset. However, I'm not sure that the performance of testing—that is, the activity of learning—deserves to be in Michael Bolton http://www.developsense.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027725699187903416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9180199155294533801.post-12301421279480071612013-04-24T11:58:36.781+02:002013-04-24T11:58:36.781+02:00Great blogpost! I will take this one along in my d...Great blogpost! I will take this one along in my daily work. thanks!<br />erikWodanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09296129971317965174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9180199155294533801.post-56121284988637916742013-03-12T13:31:33.768+01:002013-03-12T13:31:33.768+01:00This comment has been hidden from the blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9180199155294533801.post-4056882336639855592011-01-06T09:07:18.194+01:002011-01-06T09:07:18.194+01:00@Anders - I partially agree with you: 'One of&...@Anders - I partially agree with you: 'One of' should be part of the title. <br /><br />As for the other comment, as I see it, in <i>testing</i> we're supposed to find information. If we already know (or suspect) that this information is not going to be used anyway, we will probably not do a very good job (why should we ?) (feel free to substitute 'Carsten' for 'we' ifCarsten Feilberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18348610778313662800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9180199155294533801.post-24140484240900450212011-01-05T16:52:03.871+01:002011-01-05T16:52:03.871+01:00@Anders Yes; I try to prefer "one of the"...@Anders Yes; I try to prefer "one of the" to "the" on its own.<br /><br />I like to think of Carsten's question as the bass line of the testing music.<br /> <br />---Michael B.Michael Bolton http://www.developsense.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027725699187903416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9180199155294533801.post-5236866141322831512011-01-05T16:49:19.618+01:002011-01-05T16:49:19.618+01:00There's another, more charitable way to interp...There's another, more charitable way to interpret the instruction that Jesper's manager gave, perhaps: "Don't believe that you can find <em>all</em> those bugs (I don't believe you can do that anyway.) Just do your best to reveal whatever information you can." That would seem perfectly okay to me.<br /><br />Now, Jesper was there. Maybe he can tell us if the manager Michael Bolton http://www.developsense.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027725699187903416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9180199155294533801.post-71750729895868488912011-01-05T12:32:59.060+01:002011-01-05T12:32:59.060+01:00Oh, ok :) still, I'm a little puzzled by the u...Oh, ok :) still, I'm a little puzzled by the unconditional title of your post here. Can I suggest a rephrasing? "The most important question in <i>test management</i>". Or even put a "One of the..." in front. Because in actual <i>testing</i>, I feel there are more important questions to ask than questioning how and when the test results will be used. E.g. who are the usersAnders Dinsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00528986783242049089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9180199155294533801.post-57684486919825280042011-01-05T10:30:16.862+01:002011-01-05T10:30:16.862+01:00Soa Testing: Thank you. Your comment is much appre...<b>Soa Testing:</b> Thank you. Your comment is much appreciated!<br /><br /><b>Jesper:</b> I've seen managers planning with bumping off (the expensive) developers once the test phase begun.. Needless to say, that didn't happen, and it ruined in part the business case. I think your example supports the message that there are many incentives for testing :-)<br /><br /><b>Anders:</b> Oh - ICarsten Feilberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18348610778313662800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9180199155294533801.post-40203650872464853932011-01-05T06:07:38.768+01:002011-01-05T06:07:38.768+01:00Customers most often want assurance of quality fro...Customers most often want assurance of quality from testers. We can't give them that - we can give them knowledge about the quality (in specific areas).<br /><br />I think we can do a great job without knowing the answer to this question... after all: Who knows what we'll be finding? Essentially, I'm gettin ghired here to find out what's in there because the customer doesn't Anders Dinsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00528986783242049089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9180199155294533801.post-89392121661022316692011-01-04T23:03:39.833+01:002011-01-04T23:03:39.833+01:00A manager once said: Just test, don't find all...A manager once said: Just test, don't find all those bugs. I guess his primary reason for having a test, was to present that it had been tested - not to present the test results. <br />Sometimes the primary impact isn't the actual work but the impression of work being doneJesper L. Ottosenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15799832907394506307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9180199155294533801.post-45491511668891104912011-01-04T17:22:54.437+01:002011-01-04T17:22:54.437+01:00Good point, Carsten, but (and I know I may sound l...Good point, Carsten, but (and I know I may sound like the devil's advocate here)... isn't this always the most important question before you set out to do any kind of research for anyone? "What do you expect from me and what will you do about what I'm going to tell you?"<br /><br />And to counter you entirely... I actually find that if there's any discipline where we as Anders Dinsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00528986783242049089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9180199155294533801.post-17926712040748160482011-01-03T13:23:02.129+01:002011-01-03T13:23:02.129+01:00you have described really a very useful informatio...you have described really a very useful information to us which is really a very useful to me.Thanks for asking such great question to all tester.soa testinghttp://www.testing-whiz.com/soa-testing.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9180199155294533801.post-28702971114812940002010-11-27T07:04:18.607+01:002010-11-27T07:04:18.607+01:00Mind maps are wonderfully simple yet very powerful...Mind maps are wonderfully simple yet very powerful tools. On a more philosophical side, what strikes me is that, when we explore a system (or whatever we're about to test), an important part of the work is to build that mental picture: Of how the system works, of what we think might be in there, of what we've tested, how we've tested it, etc. While there can certainly be a poetic Anders Dinsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00528986783242049089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9180199155294533801.post-50420287467738487982010-10-11T21:54:14.705+02:002010-10-11T21:54:14.705+02:00This comment has been hidden from the blog.Darren McMillanhttp://www.bettertesting.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9180199155294533801.post-37521611179738965012010-01-10T07:46:55.291+01:002010-01-10T07:46:55.291+01:00This comment has been hidden from the blog.Michael Bolton http://www.developsense.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027725699187903416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9180199155294533801.post-39973088582875222802009-12-22T12:19:25.004+01:002009-12-22T12:19:25.004+01:00You're welcome - and thanks for commenting ;-)...You're welcome - and thanks for commenting ;-)<br />I appreciate it.<br /><br />Another one, which could be worth digging into is 'Perfect Software and other Myths', which I think is the most recent book - but not included in my 'most recently read'-list. :-)<br /><br />Happy reading!Carsten Feilberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18348610778313662800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9180199155294533801.post-9370579555817932122009-12-20T10:28:02.902+01:002009-12-20T10:28:02.902+01:00Thank You very much. I have been contemplating rea...Thank You very much. I have been contemplating reading Jerry's book for a while now. This post definitely gives me that extra push to buy and read his books right away!<br /><br />Regards,<br />Parimala ShankaraiahParimala Shankaraiahhttp://curioustester.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.com